Evilswarm is focused on special summoning right?, so the easiest way to beat them is a card that negate or destroy special summons, like Special hurricane but special hurricane need to discard 1 card but if we use special hurrricane evilswarms can summon it again and again. so what we need to beat Evilswarms is a card that negate all special summon.

Evilswarms are overrated. Yes, they shutdown a lot of stuff, but that is about it and the big strenght of the deck. If you don't rely on lv5+ monsters, you have quite an easy match-up, assuming you can deal with the backrow. Constellars reck Swarms apart, if used correctly, thanks to protection from backrow in form of Omega and the controll-nature of Pleades. You can make huge rank 5 plays without ever actually summoning a lv5 monster, which opens up a lot of opportunities. Wind-Ups are just as bad for a Evilswarm deck, as they can do pretty much the same. 

Spellbooks not beeing gravely affected by Ophion itself is right on one hand, but I think people are forgetting the possibility of EEV. Call Spells = Kill Prophecy. This and Ophion is the only reason they have a place in teh current meta game, as the directly counter Dragon Rulers and Prophecy, which are indeed the top 2 decks currrently.

Hmmmmmmmmm do you guys think that Steelswarm can beat Evil Swarm?

EDIT: Not particularly, rakhalix. Clever points for noticing Ophion doesn't stop Normal Summons, but Steelswarm is much slower and generally weaker than Evilswarm. There's a reason it's Evilswarm and not Steelswarm sitting as the top Meta deck even though the Evilswarm support actually affects "Lswarm" monsters, which includes Steelswarm.

OK, come on people, how does this card keep not getting mentioned:

Shock Master. Basically leaves Evilswarm with only its derpiest plays. Like, even the people who brought it up on previous lessons seem to have forgotten that it works here. Also, I only briefly scanned over all the other answers, so if it has been said, my apologies; but I didn't see it, and nobody was extremely obvious about it.

As for a Deck that works well against Verz, I'm gonna say Tempest Dragunity. Sure, Tempest and the Dragunity Synchro's aren't able to be summoned with Mr. Amazingsauce Ophion around, but on the other hand, it's very easy to search your way into having Legionnaire in hand and Aklys in the Grave, at which point simply nuke field and proceed fully lol'ing.

Alternatively, since that Deck has strong and weak points against Evilswarms, simply dominate them utterly with Wind-Ups. Wind-Ups, even with their current not-so-greatness thanks to the hard hit from the banlist, can still Xyz Summon Rank 3, 4, and 5 like no tomorrow and smash apart Evilswarms' strategy with Shock Master and Zenmaines and, if finding an opportunity before/after the existence of Ophion, Volcasaurus and Tiras, Keeper of Genesis. Combine that with the fact that Wind-Ups are simply faster than Evilswarm, it leaves little room for Evilswarm to say anything except "Hey, but I was gonna..."

Shock Master doesn't do anything against Evilswarm.
1. Declare Monsters: doesn't matter, can use Castor anyway since it's continuous. Can use any spells/traps (Dark Hole, Soul Taker, Compulsory Evac, Breakthrough Skill, Reborn, Heavy Storm, Torrential Tribute, etc. You get what I mean)
2. Declare Spells: doesn't matter can summon Ophion anyway, a well placed Pandemic and your backrow is useless, too. Oh, and did I mention that I can use your own shock master against you too, with Bahamut?
3. Declare Traps: doesn't matter can summon Ophion and get rid of your monster, or steal it, or just use Compulsory Evac in your SP. Big deal!

So, yeah. Shock Master does nearly nothing against Verz.

Heh... Well, I must say, I'm glad somebody here knows what they're talking about. So good one at you for topping me there, Kyon.

I will point out, though, that saying that Castor still works is hardly enough to say "Welp, Shock Master's useless." The other monster effects are still nullified, and if you can defend Shock Master from the Xyz monsters' attacks (defense from attacks hardly seems an issue nowadays) then any effort Castor put in is doing relative zilch. And the comment on Spells and Traps makes very little sense to me, because you seem to be implying that your opponent suddenly won't be activating their Spells and Traps because you didn't Summon Shock Master. In all cases unless specifically stated otherwise, caution should be taken to protect your own monsters from your opponents' Spells and Traps with your own. Also, who mains Dark Hole and Soul Taker anymore? >.> Well... That was a derp question. More appropriately, what intelligent player mains them anymore? Even lowly Verz has more efficient destruction methods.

Nonetheless, since the leader of Orichalcos Green has formally decided to shoot me down, I'll try another card.

Let's see... If you're running a Dragon Deck of a non-Chaos nature, Koa'ki Meiru Drago can help. 1900 ATK makes it hard for the lower level Evilswarms to muscle over, and if it's properly protected, it can prevent the summoning of the obvious Xyz monsters of the Deck, as well as most of the non-Castor-based Summon speed of the Deck. It isn't *perfect* but it certainly doesn't make the Evilswarm player's life any easier.

My point was that Shock Master is very easy to get over in Evilswarms since they can protect themselves from backrow and in the meantime you'll have went -3 (or 4 in case you wasted a trap) just to try and lock them down with Shock Master. That will lose you the duel.

Drago might be good, but you either have to get it turn 1 and protect it from their backrow or it's gonna be useless. It depends on what they draw, really.

If you're spending three cards from your hand to bring out your Shock Master AND not replacing them, you are doing something horribly wrong.

Also, the amount of backrow Verz run makes your point valid, but I'd hardly say Drago is useless past turn 1. Beating Ophion through a backrow to set him back up is a difficult task, but nowhere near impossible if you're using any Deck worth running.

Kyonaru has the right idea, though I feel that Rivalry of Warlords is better than Stygian Dirge for most decks. Why? Stygian Dirge can be fizzled with Pandemic and one xyz play is often all they need to get back in a winning position (especially if they go Ophion and search another Pandemic). But, Rivalry of Warlords does not affect the monsters, but what actions a player can take. Pandemic will not stop any part of Rivalry of Warlords. Dirge is currently more popular since Dragon Rulers are the main deck that sides against Verz, and they don't like playing under Rivalry. But for a single type deck like Prophecy and many undermeta decks, there's no reason to prefer it.

Outside of that options, single card counters I can think of would be:  Royal Decree (fizzles backrow), Tsukuyomi/Metaion (removes Ophion from the equation to allow you to make plays), Skill Drain (the majority of their effects work on the field and Dragon Rulers only lose out on Drago and Big Eye which they can win without).

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Another card I would like to add is Snowman Eater. It's effect makes an easy kill against an xyz monster, as evilswarm are generally more vulnerable to them than spells and traps. Also it is a strong monster to put out without having to worry about bahamut. It can't take it while facedown and is pretty useless to evilswarm when face-up.

For the other portion, I believe macro rabbits would work great against an lswarm deck. The obvious macro cosmos in the deck can render kerykeion, a common 3 copy card, useless due to not being able to mass easily. Being heavy on Black Horn, Solemn, fiendish chain, etc can easily prevent ophion from searching and bahamut from stealing monsters. This as well as other common traps easily help as well. And as always, Laggia and Dolkka are good to handle or slow them down.

macro cosmos is not an effective counter to the deck as the deck often sides macro itself, in combination with vanity's emptiness to completely shut down the opponent. they lose a single card with macro and even flipping it first turn means they can just just use kery as xyz fodder.

i actually forgot to mention deck counters in my last post. ill do that now. really, any rank 4 deck has a natural advantage over verz as they often have powerful consistency or plus plays, while verz are naturally inconsistent and make most plays on a zero or minus. i honestly dread to even call them meta as they arent meta in their own right by any means, and only top as an anti-meta counter to dragon rulers.

to get more specific, constellar make a natural counter to verz. omega can match pandemic while also having a 2400 body. pleiades can bounce threats like ophion and bahamut before they become an issue. praesepe can make even their main deck monsters beat over anything they can easily summon. and while constellar also have some notable consistency issues, they at least have the bear engine to help, while verz lack a comparable engine to give them the cards they need.

Nottu, the Evoker wrote:

 Constellars are indeed a fantastic option against the Evilswarms!

 That is exactly what I said.

Apparently not. ;D

clairedestroyer wrote:

macro cosmos is not an effective counter to the deck as the deck often sides macro itself, in combination with vanity's emptiness to completely shut down the opponent. they lose a single card with macro and even flipping it first turn means they can just just use kery as xyz fodder.

I am just saying it already has macro cosmos generally, it is in the name even. Having macro i didn't say was an effective counter. If I did it would have been under the list of counter cards I put. It slows down their level 4 massing possibly, not shut them down. I never said it shuts them down.

youve stated macro rabbit is an effective counter to verz due to macro cosmos. it isnt. its somewhat effective in that things like night assailant kill ophion and laggia can be an intimidating wall, but macro has no bearing on how the deck fares against verz.

I think Gravekeeper is a good match for Evilswarms, and we can add Steelswarm Roach to the gravekeeper deck to support Gravekeeper so our opponent cant summon level 5 or higher, but still xyz's are rank so Roach cant negate, and the field spell Necrovalley can negate Evilswarm Salamandra effect or ouroborous 2nd eff.

The only issue I  have with roach ( please correct me if i'm wrong ) is I believe it only stops inherent special summons meaning it would do nothing to E dragons ( those are all effects to special summon ), and roach doesn't negate xyz which isn't the best idea in an xyz heavy format.

Phoenixofpain wrote:

The only issue I  have with roach ( please correct me if i'm wrong ) is I believe it only stops inherent special summons meaning it would do nothing to E dragons ( those are all effects to special summon ), and roach doesn't negate xyz which isn't the best idea in an xyz heavy format.

Yes, you are correct.

penguin soldier cuz itz gud maindeck vs all these dumb xyz decks, thanatos is an option but no1 goes for him anymore. summon gate i think it was called, limit 2 summons per turn, cuts off xyz monsters. prohibition because lulz ophion.