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So I've noticed that people in ODA have a general dislike for meta decks (Spellbooks and E-drags.) If these decks are used for any sort of duel, people get cranky and focus only on the point that their opponent was using meta if they lose. This makes the game not only less fun for the person upset because they had to duel a meta deck, but also for the user of the meta deck because his/her opponent is being whiny. I think that banning these two meta decks would be a good idea because it not only gets rid of the complaining that can follow someone using a meta deck, but it will also allow a greater variety of decks to be played competitively in ODA. Just a suggestion to make ODA a better place.

TheCoolest wrote:

Kyonaru wrote:

Gallows wrote:

E-Drags are bad and you should feel bad. It is just ridicolous how you can make the worst moves and still win with the deck because you just don't get punished for your plays.

It is sad to see that Yu-Gi-Oh! is going downhill this format. I hope the september banlist fixes it, somehow.

Good news for you, Sept banlist won't fix anything.

What do you mean?

I mean what I typed there. Let me rephrase it for you:
(SARCASM)Good news, Gallows!(END SARCASM) The September Banlist will not fix the current meta!

Kyonaru wrote:

TheCoolest wrote:

Kyonaru wrote:

Gallows wrote:

E-Drags are bad and you should feel bad. It is just ridicolous how you can make the worst moves and still win with the deck because you just don't get punished for your plays.

It is sad to see that Yu-Gi-Oh! is going downhill this format. I hope the september banlist fixes it, somehow.

Good news for you, Sept banlist won't fix anything.

What do you mean?

I mean what I typed there. Let me rephrase it for you:
(SARCASM)Good news, Gallows!(END SARCASM) The September Banlist will not fix the current meta!

No i mean about the banlist like how is it not gonna help? also how do u know whats on it :/

Personally i dont give a crap about the meta i play what i want and do the best i can with it ...the only issue i have with a deck becoming meta is EVERYONE USING IT.....playing the same deck over and over is boring and when that deck is of unusually broken and strong cards making games typically one sided that does bore me
:this is why i typically play people i know and not randoms:
id rather lose with a deck i have fun with then win with a deck i really dont like ..

i dont like spellbooks i think they take to long to go in a circle of dullness

i dont like dragon rulers becasue i think they are over simplified and idiot proof


but banning these decks wont solve anything gotta just work with em and deal with it for the time being make yourself better and develop your own counters to them .....or you could just whine and complain untill the next banlist whatever works for ya

possibly... the next list is going to be very interesting... along with secrets i could also see LADD being banned to help nerf dragons a bit since its unlikely they are going to touch the dragons or draco or big eye or judgment at all

dat meta knowledge right der (LADD is obsolete in edrags)

true its useless vs the high priestest effect but still works pretty well vs all of the other effects in the deck so im not sure how valid that argument is and being able to search and summon ladd and dacosac the same turn is pretty uber ly broken and even if u kill of ladd its secondary effect kicks in setting up another big dragon in its place

No one uses it anymore. Verz easily gets over it. Spellbooks easily get over it. Edrags often main 3 breakthrough skill which easily gets over it. In a competitive level non meta decks don't matter. It just isn't used. You can run it against non meta decks if you want to beat them even harder if you want.

I'm running prophecy now. Really hard to get a hang of. ^^;;;

Twiddget wrote:

No one uses it anymore. Verz easily gets over it. Spellbooks easily get over it. Edrags often main 3 breakthrough skill which easily gets over it. In a competitive level non meta decks don't matter. It just isn't used. You can run it against non meta decks if you want to beat them even harder if you want.

Here I am, arguing the negative again. It simply isn't true that non-Meta Decks don't matter against Tier 1 Decks. There are plenty of ways to stand up to Meta without using Meta. I build those kinds of Decks as a hobby, so I figure a serious player could manage it with some level of effort. Even competitively, non-Meta Decks can make their way to the top. I mean, come on. How do you think a lot of Decks became Meta in the first place? Remember Tele-DAD a few formats ago? That became Tier 1 because somebody was creative enough to come up with that engine, and then everybody started using it. The key to beating the Meta is to come up with powerful, original ideas. And then, hey? Maybe somebody who refused to use a Meta Deck will use an original Deck with unexpected power, and that will become the next Tier 1 Deck. This game leaves those options open; that's one of the great things about it, and one of the few ways to get a one-up on Konami.

To respond in-topic, though, yes, LaDD is easy to counter, and has declined in usage. Heck, even lower-tier options can stomp it since you can just Summon Honest, drain LaDD, and then get it back to do exactly whatever you were planning before minus the Normal Summon (which you probably don't need with Honest in your hand). Several other cards fall on this list, though I suppose Nottu is right about it being a decent Side option.

there really isnt much to say other than any deck can beat the meta with some help. i dont have much of a burning hatred of them as a few people i am friends with.