So I've noticed that people in ODA have a general dislike for meta decks (Spellbooks and E-drags.) If these decks are used for any sort of duel, people get cranky and focus only on the point that their opponent was using meta if they lose. This makes the game not only less fun for the person upset because they had to duel a meta deck, but also for the user of the meta deck because his/her opponent is being whiny. I think that banning these two meta decks would be a good idea because it not only gets rid of the complaining that can follow someone using a meta deck, but it will also allow a greater variety of decks to be played competitively in ODA. Just a suggestion to make ODA a better place.

Who are you and what did you do to Twiddy?

I went srs mode meng

The problem with this is, what happens to the players who DO enjoy using meta decks? This isn't really fair to them, and can lower the learning experiences of a lot of people who need to see the Meta Decks so they can develop counters against them

The way to counter these meta decks is to use meta or verz yourself, which just encourages more people to use meta. And I suggested this because it seems the vast majority of people on ODA do not like using or dueling against meta, or at least that is my observation. Rules do not always have to benefit everyone, as long as the overall benefits outweigh the drawbacks.

Twiddget wrote:

The way to counter these meta decks is to use meta or verz yourself, which just encourages more people to use meta. And I suggested this because it seems the vast majority of people on ODA do not like using or dueling against meta, or at least that is my observation. Rules do not always have to benefit everyone, as long as the overall benefits outweigh the the drawbacks.

No you're not this smart.

stfu kyo go fornicate with logan

It simply baffles me how quickly you switch modes XD Anyway, I'll have to argue against that again on one level. While I agree that Meta and verz are common answers many people will come to and thus the Meta will be encouraged, there are several duelists (such as myself) who use the experiences from these Duels to build different decks in an attempt to compete with the Meta, which has varying levels of success but is generally a good growth experience. I'm not disregarding your idea entirely, and perhaps banning them at ODA-hosted events would be a good idea, but not allowing people to use them for anything ODA-related prevents both the user and their opponent from getting hands-on experience with Decks that, like it or not, are in high usage right now.

I meant just in ODA hosted event like tourneys and arena duels. Also anywhere out of ODA 75% of the decks you play against are meta. It's not hard to get hands on experience. It's pretty much impossible not to get it. ODA could possibly even be a refuge from dueling meta decks 3/4s of the time.

Even though I agree with the idea, this does kinda make me a little on edge, because I play e-dragons because I want to be one of the best with them. I enjoy the deck, even if i happen to dominate because of those options, It is so skillfull when you play mirrors and decks made to counter the deck and still win. Its amazing when you have so many options and used it the best way. I still laugh when people play maxx C on the 1st sight of seeing an e-dragon, because I know when you are playing e-dragons always chain on the 2nd one. They have to commit to that Rank 7, and they are wasting card advantage unless they open double babies + a super rejuvination. Sure, I can play other decks like Evilswarm, which is really easy to use. All you have to do is moderate your plays. When i'm playing e-dragons there are still plenty I need to learn before I even master them, when i've been playing it a complete month.

Although I understand your desire to get better with E-drags, playing them in ODA won't help you any. Few people in ODA use tier 1. E-drags are so strong that against non tier 1 decks, they take no skill and it will not help you improve. I've played edrags to a decent rating so I can say confidently that they take no skill against non-tier 1 decks. It is much more beneficial to practice edrags outside of ODA, against other meta decks. Also I'm not saying that there can't be some tournaments in ODA where meta is allowed.

e drags and prophecys are already banned in testing and in tournaments it is up to the person hosting what decks to not allow.

jammy wrote:

e drags and prophecys are already banned in testing and in tournaments it is up to the person hosting what decks to not allow.

I have no idea when that rule was randomly implemented, but I see everyone's point. We can have the meta banned, but ofc we might not even need this banned September.

Man this is a lot to read :/

E-Drags are bad and you should feel bad. It is just ridicolous how you can make the worst moves and still win with the deck because you just don't get punished for your plays.

It is sad to see that Yu-Gi-Oh! is going downhill this format. I hope the september banlist fixes it, somehow.

Gallows wrote:

E-Drags are bad and you should feel bad. It is just ridicolous how you can make the worst moves and still win with the deck because you just don't get punished for your plays.

It is sad to see that Yu-Gi-Oh! is going downhill this format. I hope the september banlist fixes it, somehow.

Good news for you, Sept banlist won't fix anything.

Gallows you sound silly. If e drags were impossible to beat they would taking all the top spots in tournaments. Tbh e dragons also brought good changes, not negative. Tempest dragunity now have a standing momentum and have the ability to otk. Not only this but it doesn't mean it's auto pilot and runs only off ravine. It has a larger skill base. Tidal in mermails, giving mermails a larger rank 7 play base, and even more explosive. Blaster lavals, have an instant pop of any card on the field and can be used for beaters while you have no plays. Redox is gadgets. How many more plays and options have opened up? The new infernity XYZ. That wouldn't have been made if people didn't have an urgency to try and beat the meta game in the 1st place. Squiddy in one tournament gave players hope. Bujin/War gods is possibly the worst matchup e dragons have. We really are lucky it hasn't hit TCG yet. They are already setting the bounds for a slower grinding format for September. Plays can't be punished? Lmao. Nearly 2 days ago I made a first turn play with a hand I thought was bad (2 tempest, 1 redox, 2 rejuvenation, 1 veiler)almost forgot that 1st effect of tempest. My opp went 1st summoned lightning, banished for REDMD, discard reactan for redox, and used REDMD. I veilered, and he ss for sack. My friend watching posted 3 dots as he saw this bad play. I went my turn and took his sack. Got rid of everything and set eclipse. Already I punished him for making a bad play. He d-holes next turn. His lack of good cards in his deck left him open. Front game one I already knew he didn't have any sort of protection. He also used Ladd. I went for all my moves and summoned angel 07 and took the game that easily. You say plays can't be punished? He wasted all his cards and I simply punished them. Also what do u mean its bad? If 80% of people are playing e dragons, where do you think most of the top players are? In the bulk of the 80%. What does that mean? Since everyone is playing the same deck you so hate, all the skill and being the best at said tournament will be with e dragons. It's just like tele-dad, or wen goat control was the only deck winning. Or when all you saw was plant synchro decks, making silly plusses everywhere. Punish? Oh in mirros the skilled player will find a way to punish. They always do.

I just play with a deck that I like and I find that's fun. I don't care if it's considered meta or not.

personally i dont think meta should even be considered.
if someone wants to run e dragons because they geninunely (sorry for spelling) like the archetype then they can but if there running it just because its meta and they dont even care much for it, then thats bad. for example, i was runnning wind-ups before they were meta. then when they became meta i still ran them but not because they were meta but because i really enjoyed them. I also did magi-shark before other people knew about it and everyone else was doing hand loop. so if your gonna run meta do it because you like the deck not because its meta. as well as try to include some originality don't just copy a ycs winning deck list.
even now even though wind-ups arent meta anymore i still use them every once in a while because i enjoy it.

I'll be damned, the only skill YGO requires is the ability to think and use your hands.

The sad truth.

kyonaru they also use fine motor functions such as picking up a card and holding it up properly so ur opponent cant see them

Kyonaru wrote:

Gallows wrote:

E-Drags are bad and you should feel bad. It is just ridicolous how you can make the worst moves and still win with the deck because you just don't get punished for your plays.

It is sad to see that Yu-Gi-Oh! is going downhill this format. I hope the september banlist fixes it, somehow.

Good news for you, Sept banlist won't fix anything.

What do you mean?