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PostSubject: What Can Come Off the banlist?   What Can Come Off the banlist? EmptySat Jul 06, 2013 6:39 pm

September is right around the corner and with it comes a new format and new banlist 
with this in mind i decided to start a discussion as to WHAT CAN COME OF THE LIST ....i dont think this requires much explanation other then stuff that was broken in its day is currently either  under powered mediocre or unusable in the current game so i want to get peoples thoughts and opinions hers the rules 

Seriously pick 1 card currently banned or limited argue your point as why you think it should come off intelligently and make your reasons at least a couple sentences to open it up for debate  for example

What Can Come Off the banlist? Thousand-eyes_restrict

I believe thousand eyes restrict could come of the banlist and be put at 1. my reasons for this are as follows. magical scientist and metamorphosis are still banned so the only ways to bring out this monster are instant fusion for 1 turn summoner of illusions, which nobody uses, or fusing relinquished with the idol... even if this card is brought back i doubt it would affect the game much outside of the occasional splashing of instant fusion which would revive alot of old decks  making them more viable...  even still cards like warning and judgement  new threats to thousand eyes like compusle, torrential, effect veiler,breakthrough, skill drain, chalice,dress, etc etc balance thousand eyes out much greater then in the goat control format in which it dominated years ago....
so what do you think  could it come back? what card do u think would be safe to revive for out current game 

 i look forward to hearing your thoughts and ideas
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PostSubject: Re: What Can Come Off the banlist?   What Can Come Off the banlist? EmptySat Jul 06, 2013 6:53 pm

Well I think butterfly dagger can come off too, no one really uses guardians, let alone equip spells unless the archetype actually needs it. All it does is give you 300 atk and return to hand if destroyed and sent to grave. It wouldn't benefit any deck Razz.
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PostSubject: Re: What Can Come Off the banlist?   What Can Come Off the banlist? EmptySat Jul 06, 2013 6:57 pm

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Well I think butterfly dagger can come off too, no one really uses guardians, let alone equip spells unless the archetype actually needs it. All it does is give you 300 atk and return to hand if destroyed and sent to grave. It wouldn't benefit any deck Razz.

 umm coolest lets imagine  we had a butter fly dagger a gearfreid and any card that uses spell counters ... ex star hall,judgment day, magical library, magical exemplar,magical marionette etc....and lets imagine if those cards had endless amounts of spells to activate .....
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PostSubject: Re: What Can Come Off the banlist?   What Can Come Off the banlist? EmptySat Jul 06, 2013 7:25 pm

Someone really does not understand how Dagger works. Seriously, TC. Before talking inform yourself about why cards are banned. 

I hope that Zenmaity is coming off the banlist. The current format is more OP than Wind-Ups with 1 Zenmaity and for balance purposes Zenmaity would be a welcomed re-addition to the deck.
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PostSubject: Re: What Can Come Off the banlist?   What Can Come Off the banlist? EmptySat Jul 06, 2013 7:31 pm

Already did, gearfried isn't safe from card effects. Would be useless against yubel Razz.

Also rain :/ zenmaity was broken cause he added to a loop! a long long long loop :/ that could do anything :/. (Exaggeration but that was broken.)
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PostSubject: Re: What Can Come Off the banlist?   What Can Come Off the banlist? EmptySat Jul 06, 2013 7:32 pm

TheCoolest wrote:
Well I think butterfly dagger can come off too, no one really uses guardians, let alone equip spells unless the archetype actually needs it. All it does is give you 300 atk and return to hand if destroyed and sent to grave. It wouldn't benefit any deck Razz.
No...

Hmm, I would say:
- Magician of Faith, because really, Staples aren't a thing anymore at this time in the format, and I doubt anyone would ever run it since it's too slow for the current format.

- Sangan, why was this even banned in the first place. -.-

- Sinister Serpent, because it's really not that OP, and not even supposed to be in there. It just makes discard cards costless, which can be a big advantage, yes, but if we really had overpowered discard cards that require 1 discard, they would be banned. And, before you say "no! Mermails!", this card is useless in mermail.

- Trap Dustshoot, lol. This card wouldn't pose a threat at all this format. There are honestly better cards everyone would run.
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PostSubject: Re: What Can Come Off the banlist?   What Can Come Off the banlist? EmptySat Jul 06, 2013 7:34 pm

Wouldn't magician of faith recycle stuff like tenki and pandemic Or reborn?
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PostSubject: Re: What Can Come Off the banlist?   What Can Come Off the banlist? EmptySat Jul 06, 2013 7:34 pm

TheCoolest wrote:
Already did, gearfried isn't safe from card effects. Would be useless against yubel Razz.

Also rain :/ zenmaity was broken cause he added to a loop! a long long long loop :/ that could do anything :/. (Exaggeration but that was broken.)

 ok where did yubell come from? you do know  that gearfired isnt the issue its the cards he gives those endless counters to which leads to drawing your entire deck  like your spaces and storms.... jacking marionette to infinit atack.... which also has the power to kill any monster on the field as often as it wants ....?
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PostSubject: Re: What Can Come Off the banlist?   What Can Come Off the banlist? EmptySat Jul 06, 2013 7:35 pm

TheCoolest wrote:
Wouldn't magician of faith recycle stuff like tenki and pandemic Or reborn?
You didn't read the long paragraph after that did you.
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PostSubject: Re: What Can Come Off the banlist?   What Can Come Off the banlist? EmptySat Jul 06, 2013 7:36 pm

Nope I did just sayin Razz
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PostSubject: Re: What Can Come Off the banlist?   What Can Come Off the banlist? EmptySat Jul 06, 2013 7:41 pm

Kyonaru wrote:
TheCoolest wrote:
Well I think butterfly dagger can come off too, no one really uses guardians, let alone equip spells unless the archetype actually needs it. All it does is give you 300 atk and return to hand if destroyed and sent to grave. It wouldn't benefit any deck Razz.
No...

Hmm, I would say:
- Magician of Faith, because really, Staples aren't a thing anymore at this time in the format, and I doubt anyone would ever run it since it's too slow for the current format.

- Sangan, why was this even banned in the first place. -.-

- Sinister Serpent, because it's really not that OP, and not even supposed to be in there. It just makes discard cards costless, which can be a big advantage, yes, but if we really had overpowered discard cards that require 1 discard, they would be banned. And, before you say "no! Mermails!", this card is useless in mermail.

- Trap Dustshoot, lol. This card wouldn't pose a threat at all this format. There are honestly better cards everyone would run.

 dude i said 1 card you listed 4..

magician of faith i could see coming back due to its slow nature ...

sangan is banned  currently cause tour guide brings it out which bring other issues with it  like rabbit..but i could see it coming back sooner rather then later .....

serpent is able to come back since discarding cards are now more used in mermails and dark world and neither would play it since they wanna discard their monsters for effects 

and trap dustshoot is and evil card granting to much knoledge and advantage to the user making your opponent lose not only the best card in the hand but spilling all their secrets as well ...dragged down has a similar problem  but at least it lets u draw a new card and royal tribute is just mean and needs to go to one for similar reasons but since Grave keepers are like tier 3 now that wont happen
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PostSubject: Re: What Can Come Off the banlist?   What Can Come Off the banlist? EmptySat Jul 06, 2013 7:42 pm

Seriously, just don't comment on these things, TC. Just don't.
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PostSubject: Re: What Can Come Off the banlist?   What Can Come Off the banlist? EmptySat Jul 06, 2013 7:50 pm

@Kev,
It seems that we agree about Magician of Faith and Sinister Serpent.
However I'm here to prove why I think Sangan and Dustshoot would not be a threat in the current metagame.

Sangan: no one really uses Tour Guide anymore and/or has a Rabbit-Based competitive deck (Dino Rabbit, etc.), so Sangan would not be a threat at all, considering decks like E-Dragons and Spellbooks wouldn't even care about it. No, Evilswarm will not run Tour Guide and Sangan, if it comes back. .-.

Trap Dustshoot: Requires your opponent to have 4 cards in their hand, and have at least 1 monster, otherwise you just go -1 (lol e-dragons, lol prophecy, lol mermails, lol evilswarm), and it has no use other than to set it turn 1. Sure it might win games sometimes, but if it's at 1, what would be the odds of drawing it when you go 1st? Very damn low, and considering it WILL be a dead draw 90% of the time, I doubt anyone would still main it.
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PostSubject: Re: What Can Come Off the banlist?   What Can Come Off the banlist? EmptySat Jul 06, 2013 8:04 pm

Kyonaru wrote:
@Kev,
It seems that we agree about Magician of Faith and Sinister Serpent.
However I'm here to prove why I think Sangan and Dustshoot would not be a threat in the current metagame.

Sangan: no one really uses Tour Guide anymore and/or has a Rabbit-Based competitive deck (Dino Rabbit, etc.), so Sangan would not be a threat at all, considering decks like E-Dragons and Spellbooks wouldn't even care about it. No, Evilswarm will not run Tour Guide and Sangan, if it comes back. .-.

Trap Dustshoot: Requires your opponent to have 4 cards in their hand, and have at least 1 monster, otherwise you just go -1 (lol e-dragons, lol prophecy, lol mermails, lol evilswarm), and it has no use other than to set it turn 1. Sure it might win games sometimes, but if it's at 1, what would be the odds of drawing it when you go 1st? Very damn low, and considering it WILL be a dead draw 90% of the time, I doubt anyone would still main it.
 
realistically the reason why sangan was banned was because of macro rabbit which shuts down mermails dragons and prophecy just as good if not better then evilswarms  ...and those are decks being pushed as the money decks specifically dragons and  prophecy ...but i could see it comming back soon , soon as the hype dies down and new sets released  probably not september but march at earliest
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PostSubject: Re: What Can Come Off the banlist?   What Can Come Off the banlist? EmptySat Jul 06, 2013 8:31 pm

I'd say BLS but konami is too greedy to do anything like that.
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PostSubject: Re: What Can Come Off the banlist?   What Can Come Off the banlist? EmptySat Jul 06, 2013 8:32 pm

BLS isn't banned.
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PostSubject: Re: What Can Come Off the banlist?   What Can Come Off the banlist? EmptySat Jul 06, 2013 8:35 pm

BLS is OFF the Banlist. Lever, seriously. Read.
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PostSubject: Re: What Can Come Off the banlist?   What Can Come Off the banlist? EmptySat Jul 06, 2013 8:37 pm

lever10 wrote:
I'd say BLS but konami is too greedy to do anything like that.

 UMMMMM BLS is off the banlist...in fact it getting like its 4th reprint next month as a super rare ...so yeah ... WHAT????
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PostSubject: Re: What Can Come Off the banlist?   What Can Come Off the banlist? EmptySat Jul 06, 2013 8:42 pm

Watch konami troll us all and bring back pot of greed and change of heart Razz
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PostSubject: Re: What Can Come Off the banlist?   What Can Come Off the banlist? EmptySat Jul 06, 2013 8:44 pm

-Kira- wrote:
Watch konami troll us all and bring back pot of greed and change of heart Razz
They're dumb but not that dumb.
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PostSubject: Re: What Can Come Off the banlist?   What Can Come Off the banlist? EmptySat Jul 06, 2013 8:45 pm

yeah kinda getting off subject .....just saying
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PostSubject: Re: What Can Come Off the banlist?   What Can Come Off the banlist? EmptySun Jul 07, 2013 12:17 am

I would say honest at two, my reason gives a lot more support to chaus dragons and other decks that benefit  from running lights.
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PostSubject: Re: What Can Come Off the banlist?   What Can Come Off the banlist? EmptySun Jul 07, 2013 4:14 am

ok, i kinda wish people would read the initial post in order to properly format their response i kinda asked for some thought put behind answers .....but anyway i lived in a triple honest format and yeah nooooooooooooooooooooo multiple honest is not a good idea...like at all ...not even a little...light is no where close to being "in need" of any support
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PostSubject: Re: What Can Come Off the banlist?   What Can Come Off the banlist? EmptySun Jul 07, 2013 7:33 am

They totally need to unban Victory Dragon guys, its so not broken or anything.


Joking aside, I think we could easily deal with having Chaos Emperor Dragon back.


Now before anyone jumps on my case, let me say why.


Chaos Emperor was so powerful due to his combo with Sangan/Witch (Both of which are still banned) to get Yata-Garasu (also banned) and the fact that we had Priority, which would allow the effect EVEN if the opponent could play a Trap to kill it first.


Now we no longer have Priority. We also have Effect Veiler, Breakthrough Skill, Fiendish Chain and heck even Skill Drain. All of these are commonly used and often seen. All of these can shut off CED's powerful effect in an instant.


On the flip side, how many times have we seen Spellbook players build a large field and fill their hand off of Judgment? Or E Dragons build a strong field with a decent hand size left over? CED hits play and at the cost of 1000 LP, sends them all away. No destruction so cards like Dracosack won't even be safe. It can be a decent answer to these decks and still be kept in check thanks to the common answer cards already seen in the game now.
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PostSubject: Re: What Can Come Off the banlist?   What Can Come Off the banlist? EmptySun Jul 07, 2013 11:34 am

Nailed it
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