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Here's my current build
Monsters
3x judgment dragon
3x lumina, lightsworn summoner
2x wulf, lightsworn beast
2x lyla, lightsworn sorceress
2x ryokan, lightsworn hunter
1x ehren, lightsworn monk
1x Garoth, lightsworn warrior
1x aurkus, lightsworn Druid
1x celestia, lightsworn angel
1x jain, lightsworn paladin
1x shining angel
1x lightray Daedalus
1x lightray diabolos
1x honest
2x card trooper
3x necro gardna
1x bacon saver
1x gorz, the emissary of darkness
Traps
1x breakthrough skill
2x beckoning light
Spells
3x solar recharge
1x charge of the light brigade
1x reasoning
3x monster reincarnation
1x dark hole
Extra deck
1x number 20: giga-brilliant
1x number39: utopia
1x leviair the sea dragon
1x wind-up zenmaines

Because you don't play trag. Your lp hit 0. Please admit defeat.

if you otkd with jd 1 and 2 how is there swarm gonna do anything?

Why would my lp hit 0?? From their atk? Bacon saver or any of the three necro gardna helps that

And a sided in Necrovalley stops that. Iron Wall. Stops that.

tragoedia dosnt stop otks he stops one atk and a ls deck has higher chances to mill him rather then draw him and if your gonna include siding skill drain makes trag crap and lim stops the entire deck

Lightsworns have a chance to mill any card that you need.

That's in game 2 which lets me side counters for that

yes but most lightsworns are useful in the grave you can even bring them back with conscrated light or search them with the ls spells but trag isnt searchable and dosnt come back from the grave hes milled he gone

And your always going to have Necro in grave?

90% of the time yes. Mill half the deck first turn monster reincarnation JD if I milled it or lightrays or whatever and otk

you mill more then 2 cards for every one regular draw that means you have a much higher chance of milling one of four cards then draw drawin one of 2 trags

If you can mill 20+ cards on your very first turn. I'd like to see your build.

Do most not? Or is it just the ones I've dueled. It happens 5/10 times

Then, they must be opening hella broke and lucky.

Lucky aka expert shuffle

Hinting towards stacking? Shuffling has nothing to do with opening broke unless your pro at stacking.

Not necessarily, just having a great mix of all the cards you need leads to JD first turn with backup if not an otk

only the fast builds that dont plenty of slow protection can also ive already given you more then enough reasons trag slows this down while your only argument for running him is "when you dont mill him he stops otks" stuff like necro is better because this is a deck that sends cards to the grave and that means stuff that works in the grave is better. So do you have any other reason why trag is good whatsoever besides for sometimes stopping otks

Trag forever. I can list so many single cards that can stop Necro..

I mean he'd be good for extra deck but lightsworns don't need it. Just a felgrand would be good enough

We all play decks differently. I prefer trag in my build is all..

Did we really need all this arguing to come to that?

We wasn't arguing. We was debating. Lol

Haha nevertheless, it was heated

This isnt arguing XD its called a card debate where you talk about the pros and cons over running a card anyways lets just leave it at all builds are differant cause i really needs sleep